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Originally Posted by RageD
Since when does disliking a movie make you a hater? There are lots of movies I dislike. I disliked Iron Man 3, Am I now a Marvel hater? That's a ridiculous argument. Were adults, we all have opinions. My opinion isn't wrong, neither is yours.
With that said, I wasted 2.5 hours watching it, so I'm done in this thread, I don't care to spend additional time debating it.
Good Day!
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I don't recall calling anyone a 'hater' in my post. I simply said that they exist.
If you don't like the movie fine, that's your prerogative, it's just the constant back and forth bitching about this and that minor plot issue that triggered my overall disgust with the fandom. It's become so common place now for people to rag on the Bay movies for every little thing, as if the rest of TF Lore is the perfect, can do no wrong, brilliance that shines above all.
G1 was a product of it's time, the 80's, it was also a cartoon series that played fast and loose with it's continuity.
The Marvel G1 comics share similar instances of problematic writing, I mean Car Wash of Doom people.
Beast Wars is a great series I love to death, but even it has a few issues, mostly technical related as the CGI has become quite dated since the heyday of 96/97.
Beast Machines dared to try something different and it got a load of flack for it. Not only was it really dark of a storyline, but it cheated with the Transformations too and some characters acted so OC compared to their previous iterations a lot of fans can't get passed it.
As Car Robots and The Unicron Trilogy are all anime imports dubbed I won't go into their problems here, mostly because they are far too numerous to list.
Transformers Animated, perfect right? Nothing wrong with it at all, the glory that is the best thing out of Transformers as a whole? Nope, sorry, wrong. Because I remember while it was airing people found things to complain about, like the lack of characters remembering past lessons from earlier episodes for the sake of plot convenience. (And a lot of animosity directed towards Bumblebee.)
Dreamwave's comics were loved, but also panned for how they were drawn, written and paced out.
IDW has suffered the same issues, fans just love to hate it's pure animosity. They wanted Simon Furman back, but when he didn't deliver what they wanted from him (whatever the hell that actually was) they said he was a tired old hack who only knew how to write one kind of story and just rehashed the same plot over and over.
Transformers Prime, yep it was negatively criticised as well, after Season One pretty much everybody around both TFW and Cybertron started ragging on the 'Quest of the Week' episodes and again the characters not learning their lessons from past mistakes episodes.
And then there is the worst offender of the bunch. Transformers Bayverse, the dude has an entire universe named after him and people rage/rag on it quite a lot. Things they might ignore, or push aside from kid's cartoons of their cherished past are constantly assaulted for every little problem.
Dog's fucking each other in a shot, military porn, car porn, how does character A acquire ability C, where did he/she go for those few minutes of screen time after the highway battle, why is Sam that way, Mikeala is just eye candy easily replaced with no character, not enough screen time of the Transformers, this is cheap, that is that, wah, wah, wah.
A lot of fans who take offense to the movies do so in a much more vocal way than they ever do anything the cartoons did. They stretch out so far to find anything to rag on that eventually they start looking like a deflated Mister Fantastic.
Hence the term Hater.
For those who defend the films, pointing out certain flaws in their logic for some of the things that they complain about, they brandy around the term Baybies or the like because defending the films is a complete blasphemy, it goes against everything a
true fan of this series/franchise should love about Transformers and all that.
From what I've observed the only way to be a
true fan is to just bitch and moan and be all masochistic about your favorite pastime, as you constantly sell out and keep buying/giving Hasbro or whoever your money while just lording over how much better you could have made this figure, or that storyline, or how much the 3rd parties
get us because they're managing to get upwards of 500 bucks out of our wallets every year giving us what Hasbro themselves can't seem to deliver on.
Nevermind that designs are finalized upwards of a year in advance before product get's made, or that inflation on consumer goods production supplies means that we have to eat some of those costs to continue getting the figures we so crave at affordable retail level prices.
After seeing DotM I was quite depressed with how they handled the Decepticons, how easily it was they were murdered. The movie was a huge downer on an emotional level, and sure while there were some flaws in it, I still enjoyed it enough to see it again and own it.
AoE is such a better paced movie which actually let's the Autobots shine that I actually don't mind the emotional wreck the third one was. This film was still just as dark in some areas, but pretty much more upbeat. If DotM was akin to Empire than AoE is Return, I actually liked the fact that the Autobots got to shine, I'm not fully sure what to make of it, but I do know what I like and this right here is what I like.
I hope Bay and company can deliver another smash hit like this one when 5 rolls out, I won't pretend that the movies don't have their problems, far from it, but to expect some kind of
adult based entertainment for the grown up fans of the G1 days with fond nostalgia tinted glasses lovingly displayed by some kind of crusading Peter Jackson type with this film franchise... You honestly do not understand how films work. The general public is key, and while I'm sure a lot of us would love 3 hours of Prime being this unblemished John Wayne type hero from our youths that doesn't turn into a murdering psychopath and is just squeaky clean always believing in us as a race... A lot of people who don't give two shits about the History of the franchise, or have never stopped loving the series since they were kids aren't going to watch that.
When it comes to science fiction franchises there are two types, A Movie game changers like Star Wars or Alien and B Movie brain switch to off cult classics that people can find fault with but will love them regardless.
If you expect Transformers to fall into the first category than you are sadly going to be disappointed no matter what.
People have a right to complain all they want, I'm just getting tired of them holding everything against the movies while the same shit done for their precious favorite series is given either a free pass or a quiet brush under the rug (we dare not speak it's name) kind of thing.
