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Old 02-03-2011, 03:09 PM   #91
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Re: Stop the Meter: CRTC's Usage-Based Billing for Internet Services

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You must be for manufacturing moving to Mexico and Customer Support moving to India. As long as deluxe transformers are 10 bucks at Walmart right?

Issues like this are more important than me paying an extra $2.00 my internet bill.
...but ... aren't you a Canadian living/consuming resources/paying bills in Japan? Those $2 you speak of wouldn't even see the light of day in Canada, would they?
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Old 02-03-2011, 04:39 PM   #92
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Re: Stop the Meter: CRTC's Usage-Based Billing for Internet Services

whats an internet?
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Old 02-03-2011, 08:12 PM   #93
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Re: Stop the Meter: CRTC's Usage-Based Billing for Internet Services

What's a onecoin?

Oh man, I missed the CRTC UBB hearing on cpac. But reading up for the CRTC said was friggin' jaw dropping...

- GB = Gigahertz
- The average user uses 15 MB a month
- P2P = point to point
- "The ordinary guy should not subsidize the heavy users."
And kept on using the analogy of using more oil/heating for your home should = paying more. But data isn't finite like energy/oil. If you treat data like resources, then you don't pay $50 for the 61st liter of gas after paying$ 1.114 for the first 60 liters.
- Konrad claims he read Clement's tweet on the paper
- Does usage-based billing pose a threat to Skype? No, you're not going to transfer 25 GB per month unless you're watching "heavy video" or playing "three-dimensional games."

He definitely got his facts and bribery money from Bell

Watch more of this travesty here: http://parlvu.parl.gc.ca/ParlVu/Cont...tEntityId=7245
http://www.cpac.ca/forms/index.asp?d...=e&clipID=5030

The grilling begins at 13 minutes.

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Old 02-03-2011, 11:25 PM   #94
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Re: Stop the Meter: CRTC's Usage-Based Billing for Internet Services

All that sounds like the US senator that said the internet was a series of tubes. lol
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Old 02-04-2011, 12:53 AM   #95
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http://www.financialpost.com/news/gi...605/story.html

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Old 02-04-2011, 01:05 AM   #96
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Re: Stop the Meter: CRTC's Usage-Based Billing for Internet Services

we would be so lucky.
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Old 02-04-2011, 01:10 AM   #97
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Wow, we'll be so thrilled...
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Old 02-04-2011, 01:56 AM   #98
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Re: Stop the Meter: CRTC's Usage-Based Billing for Internet Services

Lovely editioral; apparently I'm now a member of the Muslim Brotherhood because I voiced my concern about UBB to my local MP. And on a side note, I'm also now an activist because I also oppose the oligopoly that colludes to price-fix what I pay for gas too.

I liked this particular paragraph from that article though...
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"Another canard is that the United States imposes no user-based pricing, except Comcast, which-- as Mr. McTeague likes to point out -- imposes a cap of 250 GB. That may be true, but that doesn't mean Comcast and other U.S. telecoms would not impose caps if they could, since not pricing based on usage is economically crazy."

User based pricing doesn't work in the US simply because of the level of competition (between ISPs) that is present there and is sorely missing here. If the same level of competition that exists in the US is allowed to exist here as well, I somehow doubt we'd even have a "Stop the Meter" campaing like we do now. Any of the US telecoms know that it would be financial suicide to be the first one to impose lower user based caps and pricing. This would account for the really high bandwith cap for Comcast; a bandwith cap that is 2.5x higher than what Bell is willing to offer at a cost (from Comcast) that is about $9 less per month (assuming parity in this case) than what Bell charges for their lower cap.
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Re: Stop the Meter: CRTC's Usage-Based Billing for Internet Services

This is how I see it, and forgive me if some or all of these points have been made. (I just haven't had the time to read everybody's comments, so forgive me.)

1) I don't believe in limiting access to information. Period. All information, good or bad. That's because information frees societies. The more an individual knows, the more power that individual has, and the more those numbers of educated individuals increase, the more power the general population has.

2) Whether this 25 GB cap is true or not, doesn't matter to me. What matters is any attempt to put a cap on it. I view the internet like having a library card. I think it should always be free, but I understand this is not realistic, since someone has to provide the services and the hardware, so of course people need to be charged for some usage.

3) Why should Canadians accept any sort of cap on the free flow of information, when we're always pushing other more repressive societies to free up more information and give unlimited access to their people? eg: Chinese government's attempts to limit internet access to its citizens. Keeping the population ignorant is one of the best tools an oppressive regime has.

4) Of course the CRTC ruling isn't the same as a dictatorial regime limiting access to the citizens. That's just one extreme example I used. However, the ruling does increase the split between economic backgrounds. The more money you have, the easier the access to unlimited information will be. In Vancouver, we have the highest cost of living but the lowest minimum wage in Canada. The amount of access to information should not be limited by your income. People are already limited to the type of education they can get since some can't afford to go to a prestigious university, so it's more important now than ever to allow unlimited access.

5) I don't care if the cap is 25GB or 250 GBs. The amount of the cap is a red herring. The real problem is that these guys can't be trusted. I don't trust the CRTC, I don't trust the corporations. Sure the cap may not be as low as 25GBs, but that doesn't mean they won't restrict it further later. This ruling gives them all the power in the world to do so. It's how it begins: You place a decent sized cap that most people won't even come close to reaching, then you start charging more and more for people who go over, and you start to reduce the cap little by little, finding any excuse to do so. If you don't think this will happen, you are hopelessly naive. We had the freedom of unlimited internet access for years. To start giving up that freedom now is not a positive thing.

6) I know most people probably just download junk. They watch porn, they steal music, they watch pirated versions of movies. I get it. But it's not my place to decide if it's right or wrong. (actually, downloading creative and artistic content that you didn't pay for is still wrong). My point is, even if I don't see value in downloading "Jersey Shore," it's not my place to tell someone they are wasting their time and bandwidth. I'm not going to tell someone what is quality and what isn't, because I will not accept someone telling me what I should be spending my time watching or reading or listening to.

End rant.
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Old 02-04-2011, 04:08 PM   #100
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Re: Stop the Meter: CRTC's Usage-Based Billing for Internet Services

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYizoh_r6D0

I especially love how they cut off Kevin just like that. If this UBB crap is repealed, I think I'm switching over to Teksavvy.
I love this George Burger guy, he fights for the users/customers! Especially love how he snaps back at O'Leary. Very informative to hear how much we're being screwed over.

I haven't been following the thread, but when is Shaw following suit? From the financial post article onecoin posted it mentions that Bell and Rogers will be imposing these limits starting on March 1st and June 1st respectively.
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