TF:TM questions

[Ironwave]

I know there has been an huge amount of threads regarding this movie. But something I was wondering while re-watching the movie again, when the Decepticons intercepted the Shuttle in space the Autobots were not aware of it whatsoever, but what if Hound was in the Shuttle you think he would of been able to see that something is coming towards their ship? As we seen him being able to locate many Decepticons in a few episodes. And the other one is when Kup and Hot Rod where in Quintessa, with Kranix in the cell how come they didn't know who Unicron was especially someone like Kup?

Thanks

[pandaprime]

just to clarify you're asking about the animated movie and not the live-action movie right?

here's a possible answer to your first question:

"In the year 2005, Hound was stationed at Autobot City on Earth. Shortly before the Decepticon attack, Hound was part of Kup's detail, placing a roadblock on the trail to Lookout Mountain. During the battle, he managed to get to the shuttle landing pad as Optimus Prime began his counterattack on the Decepticon forces."

http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Hound_%28G1%29

[Ironwave]

Originally Posted by pandaprime

just to clarify you're asking about the animated movie and not the live-action movie right?

here's a possible answer to your first question:

"In the year 2005, Hound was stationed at Autobot City on Earth. Shortly before the Decepticon attack, Hound was part of Kup's detail, placing a roadblock on the trail to Lookout Mountain. During the battle, he managed to get to the shuttle landing pad as Optimus Prime began his counterattack on the Decepticon forces."

http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Hound_%28G1%29

Yes I am talking about the animated movie, and yes I know Hound was stationed on Autobot City on Earth but the whole concept of this question is if he was never at Autobot City and on Moonbase 1 instead and had volunteered to go on that Special Run was he gonna be able to track down the Cons?

[Protoman]

Wow this is a bag of concepts.

Alright first, Hound is known as a tracker, for hunting down and finding Decepticons. The concept has been played with in 2 G1 episodes, both stemming from Season 1.

Now before we talk about the shuttle scenes..... let's think about who Megatron had with him.

All 6 Constructicons, All 3 Insecticons, All 3 Conheads, All 3 original Seekers, Soundave (with tapes), Astrotrain and Blitzwing. That's A LOT of Decepticons.

Granted when Megatron busted into the shuttle, we were treated to very few of these ranks, but it is assumed they all piled in for the ride back to Earth and thus Autobot City.

In the original script, written by Ron Friendman (Draft #2), the idea was that Prowl and company had to deal with some asteroids and didn't notice the large armada of Decepticons coming at the ship.

More or less there is your answer..... hope that helps.

[justprime]

For Question 2,. Kup had never seen unicron (stated later in the movie) however that said as unicron is regarded more myth than reality and given that as we may perceive that Kranix was the first to ever escape from the plant muncher, that Unicron's history would be a story primes and few others (even Meg's was unaware at meeting unicron face to face)would be aware of (the story told around the energon fires to scare small bots ) that no discription had ever been given.... both hotrod and kup at the point of meeting Kranix had not encounterd unicron by sight and would have no idea that this was unicron or just some other force of nature that was destroying planets untill Kranix put a name to him.

[wervenom]

Originally Posted by justprime

For Question 2,. Kup had never seen unicron (stated later in the movie) however that said as unicron is regarded more myth than reality and given that as we may perceive that Kranix was the first to ever escape from the plant muncher, that Unicron's history would be a story primes and few others (even Meg's was unaware at meeting unicron face to face)would be aware of (the story told around the energon fires to scare small bots ) that no discription had ever been given.... both hotrod and kup at the point of meeting Kranix had not encounterd unicron by sight and would have no idea that this was unicron or just some other force of nature that was destroying planets untill Kranix put a name to him.

Agreed. Having read your synopsis I would like to add one thing that occurred to me while reading it. To further the point of never having seen Unicron before, I would believe it safe ti assume that for even thoses that did know of the myth, it would be based on him being a planet and not a very lrage robot. At the time Kup & Hot Rod would have seen him he had already transformed and therfore would have no clue at all. Especially based on Kranix's line "A planet that devours everything in it's path"

[Shepp]

In the 1986 movie, Unicron was yet to be known as a multiverse spanning "god" and was merely a ginormous robot transformer, and only hinted that he wanted to destroy Cybertron for a VERY long time.

It seemed that the people of Lithone knew of Unicron (whether that was from mythological or factual references is unknown) while the people of Cybertron did not, even in mythology (as they didn't know of any planet munchers, nor of the name Unicron). Strangely, the Junkions knew of Unicron by name, and by nature since they were so quick to mount an assault.


So the multiverse spanning "god" nature of Unicron, and his ingrained mythology was something added after G1. Keep in mind that Primacron was supposedly the one who created Unicron to get back at Cybertron for some reason, but that was only in G1, and once again before the multiverse spanning nature was retconned.


So yeah, Kup wouldn't know about Unicron in the 1986 movie. Same as the fact that nobody knew about the Autobot Matrix of Leadership before the 1986 movie.


As for how the Decepticons attacked the shuttle, there are two things that explain it. First, there is no such thing as a Decepticon Detector. Second, they probably masked their visual location by following in the shuttle's exhaust until the last minute.

[Shockwave 75]

Originally Posted by Shepp

As for how the Decepticons attacked the shuttle, there are two things that explain it. First, there is no such thing as a Decepticon Detector. Second, they probably masked their visual location by following in the shuttle's exhaust until the last minute.

Third, they were all crammed into Astrotrain until the very last minute and only attacked once they were practically on top of the shuttle.

[Shepp]

I heard from a very unreliable and made up source that Megatron invaded the shuttle to slip past Earth's defenses, and then broker a peace treaty between Decepticons and Autobots.

And then Daniel and Hot Rod screwed it all up.

[LBD "Nytetrayn"]

Didn't the TFU bio for the Quintessons state that they were tasked by Unicron to track down and take care of any who escaped him? That seems to imply that it does happen on occasion, allowing word to get out, while also explaining just why Kranix was there.