The Maximals are the bad guys

[ARCTrooperAlpha]

sure sure Nocturn (COUGH* conspiracy nutcase!)

Did you study history or political science? or did you thought this along the way?

[ARCTrooperAlpha]

Originally Posted by Ultra Maverick

You make a great point there Nocturn,
but from a humans point of view, Predacons have to be the bad guy as they did try to wipe us out before we developed into what we are today.

Originally Posted by General Tekno

Much as I love this line of thinking, it falls apart when you remember that the Predacons are for the most part violent individuals bent on ruling everyone.

The Maximals may keep the Preds under their thumb, but they do so for good reason. The Maximals attempt to learn about other races and explore, BUT they don't want to conquer them.

As much as I like to debate, we HAVE to figure out which timeline we're debating with: G1 cartoon, Marvel comics, DW, Fun Publications/ Botcon, or IDW, since consistency isn't a trademark (especially in G1 cartoon, anyone remember an honorable Decepticon?)


If G1 cartoon, yes, the Maximals have good reason to put the Predacons under their thumb, as Tekno pointed out (with the whole conquering thing). However, if we use post-WWI Germany as an example to the Predacons, the Maximals are just damn brutal in their treatment.

A main reason to why WWII broke out was that Germany was given an unreasonably high reparation bill from Britain and France. This led to the decline and pretty much near death of Germany's economy and the political system. Not to mention dignity of the people when they saw their Emperor (a greatly valued symbol) lost his throne in the process. The indignation of the Germans led them to sworn in Hitler to lead Germany back to the top

In short, the Maximals, as Nocturn said, are the bad guys, is reasonable. Depending on which sources we're talking about.

[UltraPrimal]

Try not to think in terms of good and evil. It's more of a gray scale. The Maximals may be closer to the lighter side and Predacons closer to the darker side. But it's all the same.

Take Protoform X, for example. Not only does he as an individual show that Maximals can be pretty sick and evil mother fuckers, but the circumstances of his inception aren't completely ethical either.

Then, on the side, there's Dinobot. The first thing I think of when I hear that name is honor. Though he is a Predacon to the core, his code of honor instills a type of goodness in him so powerful that it overrides everything else.

[Sun Swipe Prime]

See this is why BW was/is so good. Each side had its flaws, bringing both sides into the gray area. In any war, the other side is always evil. They do things that from the opposing side's view can be deemed bad and maybe even evil. The Nazi's had their concentration camps and the allies had their own camps for the Japanese in North America. It's given that the allies weren't going down the genocide rout, but the treatment of the people in those american camps wasn't all icecream and lolly pops. If the axis had won wwII Rosevelt and Churchil would have probably been tried as war criminals for droping the atomic bomb on hiroshima.

With that said, the maximals were still the good guys. Why? Because they didn't start the war, they just won it. Maybe the ethics of what they were willing to do to win the war could be in doubt, but who could blame them. If someone points a gun at your head and threatens to kill you, I don't think they can complain if someone kick the crap out of them or worse because they created the situation.

[Nocturn]

Originally Posted by Dark Rage

Nocturne loses sleep over a lot of minor things.

Mostly your chiseled figure

Originally Posted by General Tekno

Much as I love this line of thinking, it falls apart when you remember that the Predacons are for the most part violent individuals bent on ruling everyone.

The Maximals may keep the Preds under their thumb, but they do so for good reason. The Maximals attempt to learn about other races and explore, BUT they don't want to conquer them.

Just like Humans learned and explored?

Tell that to the Mayans

Originally Posted by ARCTrooperAlpha

sure sure Nocturn (COUGH* conspiracy nutcase!)

Did you study history or political science? or did you thought this along the way?

I studied 11th grade

[Aernaroth]

If the Predacons wanted to be accepted as equals, they should be positively contributing to cybertronian society, which we see no evidence of. We sure do see that they're willing to undermine it with espionage and draconian organizations, though. Oh, right, and the whole Megatron being at best a thief, and at worst an insurrectionist thing. But it would be wrong to judge an entire group by his actions, I suppose.

[Nocturn]

Can you honestly expect them to not try to undermine it given their situation?

[CyberMnky]

Hasn't it been stated a few times that BW Megatron was a rogue Predacon?

[Nocturn]

Indeed he was

BUT as in OP, he was a rogue that threatened to reveal the Tripredacus' operations

So it should seem that most Predacons are fed up with falling in line

[CyberMnky]

Originally Posted by Nocturn

Indeed he was

BUT as in OP, he was a rogue that threatened to reveal the Tripredacus' operations

So it should seem that most Predacons are fed up with falling in line

Several Predacons may have been fed up, but they went along with life as second class citizens to the cruel evil Maximals. Megatron was unsatisfied with this and after his 14th Peace Rally for Change failed...

Maximals started shooting at him unprovoked as he was heading home from volunteering at an old folk-bots home...


Sure, he may have a propensity for over-violent threats but they're just words. And really, how often do we speak out in anger in stressful situations as morally upstanding people.