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Old 02-04-2015, 11:55 AM   #21
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Re: Automaton???

I was thinking about buying from places like chimugmung. If duties comes down, as Joshimus mentioned, buying outside of canada wouldn't be so cheap. It would actually be on par with Automaton or a little more. I'll never buy from BBTS because of the amount of duties I was charged when I ordered from them. Also, as someone mentioned in another post, if you lower the value on the box to avoid duties, you run the risk of losing all the money if the package gets lost.
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Old 02-04-2015, 11:56 AM   #22
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Re: Automaton???

I'd rather support Canadian small business too. But there is something just wrong about a Canadian business dealing in US currency. I can't put my finger on it yet, but it stinks.

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I would still rather buy from Automaton in USD than an actual US seller. At least shipping is quicker, freight is cheaper, and no customs fees, or at least it is incorparated into the price. The downside, it means I plan on buying less because of the exchange rate.
So...I dunno how I feel about it yet. This move to USD could make/break them.
Even my local comic shop had to raise prices on Mattycollector figures.
We Canadians get screwed either way, but I'd still rather support the Canadian small business, even if it means paying more.
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Old 02-04-2015, 12:03 PM   #23
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Chimungmung is a great online store and Tony is a great guy. That said, the Japanese online retailers are generally cheaper by a significant margin. Places like Nippon-Yasan, Hobbylink Japan. Can get good deals on Mandarake too (although best to select the "I'm not 18" option yet unless you want a full dose of statue-porn).

I used to buy a double from Automaton or A3U and could rationalize it buy averaging the prices. But if they can't/won't stick up for Canada, then "because they are Canadian" just doesn't seem to appeal any more.

Since discovering the Japanese e-tailer's I've been paying between 50-60 CAD for MP cars shipped! Magnus was a little over $150 CAD shipped! No one appears able to compete with that.

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I was thinking about buying from places like chimugmung. If duties comes down, as Joshimus mentioned, buying outside of canada wouldn't be so cheap. It would actually be on par with Automaton or a little more. I'll never buy from BBTS because of the amount of duties I was charged when I ordered from them. Also, as someone mentioned in another post, if you lower the value on the box to avoid duties, you run the risk of losing all the money if the package gets lost.
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Old 02-04-2015, 12:14 PM   #24
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The cost of doing business always gets passed onto the consumer ... Flat rate shipping 12.99 (plus tax) ... No thanks I'll stick to Asian sellers
Yeh, I didn't like that they charge tax on the shipping. But all of the canadian sites seem to do so.
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Old 02-04-2015, 12:17 PM   #25
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I think/suspect that what's pushing some CDN sites to use USD is that the site pays for the merchandise in USD. So if a Canadian site takes 50 preorders for a $150 USD toy, they place an order with the distributor for 50x$150usd but they don't pay until the distributor has the toys. So if preorders go up in January and the CDN dollar is at 90 cents, the site puts it at $187 CDN ($167 = $150 USD plus a modest $20 CDN profit for the site) and we preorder.

Then March rolls around and the toy ships to the distributors (or direct from manufacturer) and the distributor/manufacturer bills the site for 50*$150 USD. But our CDN dollar has dropped to 80 cents by then... So the Canadian site is now paying $187.50 CDN per unit for something buyers are only paying them $187.00 CDN for. The site is now selling at a loss. And this happens to every shipment as long as the dollar goes down.

So you switch to USD and your customers exchange the currencies at the moment of sale. It sucks, but if the alternative for a small site is getting wiped out by a 10 cent decline in the dollar, what else can they do?

Alternatives would be one of:

- only sell once you have the invoice from the distributor (which is almost items in hand), which puts you behind everyone else and kills preordering.

- don't give buyers a CDN price until the items are billed from the distributor

I'm not sure if there are others.

Basically, our dollar is falling and we are paying for it. A $150 USD toy is now going to cost $187.50 or more CDN from TF Source or BBTS. Then we pay more (and in USD) for shipping and add 13% +$10 if customs figures picks up on your package.
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Old 02-04-2015, 12:21 PM   #26
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I have all MPs and all Bought from Asian sellers. There's no middle man to pay, there's at most one currency exchange in the transaction, no taxes and the shipping is relatively cheap. Mp-22 for 143 shipped vs in Canada where sky's the limit 250 plus. Screw that. I'm all for supporting the Canadian economy when it's competitive not a stick up.
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Old 02-04-2015, 12:31 PM   #27
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Yeh, I didn't like that they charge tax on the shipping. But all of the canadian sites seem to do so.
I just bring up the full ordering price from Canadian etailers just for fun and I love seeing how the original price grows in leaps and bounds.

I'm sure they call taxing "flat shipping" an industry standard. I call it deceiving.
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Old 02-04-2015, 12:33 PM   #28
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A big reason some Canadian collectors are getting TFs cheaper from Asian sellers is that it's dodging taxes and fees. Canadian sellers cannot dodge such taxes and fees.

I know, it's our money, etc. I'm not making morality judgements. But I'm sure our Canadian sellers would much rather play on an even field than this imbalance they face.

As for taxes on shipping, doesn't Canada Post charge taxes on shipping?

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Old 02-04-2015, 12:45 PM   #29
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Hi everyone,

Here are the reasons why we have migrated towards the USD currency:
http://www.automatontoys.com/blog/

The first and main reason for this change, of course, is the recent debacle of the canadian dollar: since our opening, six years ago, we've made the business choice to actually 'shield' our customers from the exchange rate, even if it meant to actually loose hundreds (recently make that thousands) of dollars each time we were paying our suppliers.

That situation has put my business in jeopardy on numerous occasions, especially in the first four years of operations, to the point of seriously considering taking down the store. All our industry and niche market is rolling on USD: even our chinese suppliers (and their resellers) are getting paid in USD.

Granted, we've could have jacked up the Canadian prices. But even then, how to predict ( months in advance since we are uploading preorders months before the actual release) what the exchange rate will be at the moment of invoicing such items. We feel that switching to USD was far from the best solution, and I was very reluctant to do so. But in fact, we had no real other options. Besides, as for Automaton goes, our real competitors are Americans and Asians. My small, family business, is pitting itself against 'giant megastores' that have, and I'm not exagerating on this one, 10 to 20 times (if not more) our actual annual business sales.

And speaking of our competitors: I highly doubt that any of them will stack multiple items and ship to Canada for 10$-13$US. Our OOH system (Order On Hold), and the fact that we are shipping huge OOH boxes for a flat rate of 12.99$US, is still a competitive advantage that none of our competitors offer.

Unfortunately, I think that for some customers, the reality of this market is becoming all too clear, perhaps. Is this hobby has become an expensive one? Yes. Most customers still want proximity from the place they buy (a store based in Canada); still want to be able to stack multiple items to avoid multiple shipping charges; still want us to ship huge OOH boxes for a Flat Rate shipping fee (when our reality is that Canadian Posts are far from cheap, with each package leaving our warehouse costing on average 15$CAN to easily 28+CAN); five stars customers service with fast reply and providing missing/defective pieces on the items, competitive prices, etc.

All this has a cost.

I've never envisioned Automaton Toys to be the 'fast food' of imported toys. I'm rather setting outstanding standards that put us in our own category. At least, I hope I have achieved that in the last six years, with all the hard work and the toll this project has severely taken on my family, friends and even my health.

We haven't made this decision in order to make more money to pile on a fictional mountain-of-gold we don't have anyway: we've made this decision in order to survive. And continue to do what we do best: offering the most enjoyable shopping experience to our valued customers.

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Old 02-04-2015, 12:55 PM   #30
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Thanks Mario, you explained it better than my clumsy attempts.
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