Bill C-8 and Reprolabels

[deagle7000]

Originally Posted by Hellboy

It's all part and parcel to stop counterfeiting merchandise. People are dying because of the criminal "bootlegging" of merchandise that includes name-brand foods, medicine and other consumable products.
While this legislation may seem nonsensical to the average Transformer collector there are much bigger issues at stake.

If I buy a Hasbro Transformer I expect it to be a Hasbro Transformer that has been regulated be strict manufacturing policies. I don't expect lead paint or other toxic materials to be present in something I give my nephew as a Christmas present.

Labels and stickers (while hopefully Reprolabels uses non-toxic stickers) are counterfeited sometimes with cheaper adhesives that can be harmful.

This whole thing is not just about licensing. It's about protecting the consumer.

no, its about businesses wanting more money. The old farts that run government get paid off to push stuff like this. They want you to pay to punish consumers that big corporations feel wrong them. Illegal just to possess this stuff? Absurd when many wouldn't even know they don't have the real thing in many cases of counterfeiting. This is largely victimizing the victims.

[justprime]

being as the products are mostly produced overseas there is no garantee that the big companies or small wont have harmful componets in there product (ie last few years toxic substance from lead paint on toys and cribs to toxic additives in your pets food) and as such the MFG had absolutly no control (or didnt want to aknowlage the problem do to the cost of recall and law suits better to ignore the problem, just ask toyota what it cost them) it wasn't till some got sick that it came to light and industry sat on hands till gov intervention ( just like car fault recalls one or two doesn't even make the radar but make it a fatale flaw and Gov gets into it) so your presumption that these industries will protect the consumer is off it will make it easier for them to ignore the problem safty wise that is and the reason they sould not be givin such power again if they feel they have been wronged then by all means use there own funds and lawyers to persue the case be it at home here or abroad this again sould not be saddled on the backs of the people and Govenment should stay out ,...there is already laws in place to protect against unsafe products..and MFG pay when they are not duedillagent.. hasbro has sat back while KO's have been made with there molds and sold on the open market and did nothing either its not a threat to them (lets face it how many KO's do you see in toysrus or walmart or other big chains there venue for selling and there revenue generator) ...or they are allowing it to boost there own sales of other same style of toys,... if they really wanted to crack down on Kos they would strat with tighter controls at the mfg level and protection of there molds and back that up by legal means,.. Takara did so recently,...its also the consumers responsibility if so inclined to buy ony licenced product if they choise,... again there right when buying a asperin as opposed to an off brand for example,... in a free country I would expect to have the free will to choise what I purchase free enterprise makes this possible, in a Hasbro would every third party toy (not just KO) would be banned (remember botcon and third party) let the big compaies use there lawyers to solve this issue of KOs

[elburrito]

The criminal offence to possess is a bit of a shocker. That's not the traditional approach to IP infringement. Would mean anyone who has a KO Sideswipe or Tigertracks will be a criminal. Can't find the offence provisions so can't say what the penalties might be. Does appear to allow for personal searches and wiretap though. Yikes.

[elburrito]

Found the offence provisions. Note "possessing" an infringing product for the purpose of traffickingis an offence under subsection 42(2). The punishments are as follows:


(6) Every person who commits an offence under any of subsections (1) to (5) is liable

(a) on conviction on indictment, to a fine of not more than $1,000,000 or to imprisonment for a term of not more than five years or to both; or

(b) on summary conviction, to a fine of not more than $25,000 or to imprisonment for a term of not more than six months or to both.

So the good news is that your KO Tigertrack should not attract Criminal sanction unless "they" can prove that you were planning on selling it.

[justprime]

the question would be is it retroactive to a previous date remember these products have been purchased legally up unto the passing into law of this bill,... again too much power to the maufacturing industry and a need less law since there are already copyright ,etc laws in place.why should taxpayers pice up the tab for big business at all to start with.

[The 12th Prime]

If some of these corporations just made some of there stuff here it'd be less of a problem now wouldn't it??? Instead of paying somebody here to produce a product, the companies would rather pay a group of lawyers to protect it and pay third world countries peanuts to produce it in the name of maximizing profits. Try lobbying and increasing the laws where the products are made otherwise don't make them there and quit wasting our tax dollars on corporate agendas. Why do "they" think there's bootlegging in the first place? Obviously the companies are not paying those persons enough to live on as most bootleg operations are made from the same places or near by. How much are a workers wages compared to a lawyer? No offence to any Lawyers on the boards here just questioning the logic of allocation of money.