Siege Springer
 

Is it just me, or is Springer just not a fun toy. The modes all look great, the colors are wonderful, and he is a great representation of the character. The issue I have is the transformation. I just can't seem to get each of the modes to line up without having to fuss with him. It feels like i'm trying to fight the toy, rather then enjoying the transformation. What do you guys think? Great toy, with bad transformation? Like i honestly couldn't see a child of 8+ have any luck transforming this toy.

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If only I could find one...

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I couldn’t disagree more. He’s easily the most fun Siege release, in my mind. He’s by far the most likely go-to when I reach for someone to fiddle with off my Siege shelf.

That said, there is definitely a set order to his transformation steps. This is not one to try by yourself without the instructions, or better yet, a video review. The armature for his shoulders is stiff at first, and takes some force to line up right the first couple times, but is fine by the third attempt.

If you’re still having issues after watching a video, I would honestly wonder if you got a bad QC copy. He is a joy to transform and my favorite figure of the line.

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Right? What is wrong with Hasbro distribution?

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Siege Springer is one of the best figures I’ve purchased in a while. The transformation is pretty intuitive if you’re experienced with TFs, maybe a little fiddly at times but I haven’t had any problems getting things to line up properly.

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The instructions are rubbish, but once I figured out wtf was going on he seems pretty easy to get locked into each of the modes. I would jump on the ‘watch a video review’ bandwagon. There are some really small but simple steps that maybe you aren’t getting lined up that could be effecting how everything locks in. (There’s a subtle shift in his waist area that makes the copter mode in particular line up better.)

Only problem I have with him is his bot mode seems... unstable. Like all those pin joints and swivels that make up his legs and ankles don’t give him the best stability, at least on mine. Even in a vanilla pose he seems unbalanced.

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Hasbro's bad distribution has been going on for years. We better get used to it cuz it probably won't change for quite some time.

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It's gotten a lot worse recently across all of their titles though.

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I stated the same in another thread somewhere... he looks great, he's overall a very nice figure and I'm happy to have him as I almost passed.

But yes, he is a nasty beast of burden to align everything right for transformation.

He's another example of where the engineers could have done a very few tweaks and such and he would have been fantastic, but instead he's a "ok, good enough, it's gonna sell like this".

P.S. his ankle/feet are simply horrible and in time, will most certainly wobble and fall as they aren't going to hold him up at all once these friction joints are even just a bit worn.

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You know what.. to some, that's insulting.

Some of us have been probably transforming robots since before a LOT of members were even born, and for myself in the last 40+ years, I believe that I've only hit a couple of transformers that proved to be a challenge simply because they are simple not intuitive at all.

This figure is one of them. It's not about how he transforms, but how every part needs to be exactly aligned for it to transform correctly.

Maybe some are faulty and have tighter joints or such than others, maybe you're mistransforming him and not even noticing... but in all of the Siege line, he is by far the longest one to transform and the most finicky.

If you're not having issues, then good for you, but assuming what you stated, just not cool.

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Phew! Glad I'm not the only one who feels this way...☺️

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I havent been able to find that toy and purchase it yet so I can't chime in but I do find it super odd that his transformation is annoying/tough when from the look of it, the transformation seems super simple, especially when there is little change from one alt mode to the next.

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Well, I’m sorry you’re insulted by my comment.

I find the fun of transformers is figuring out their transformation. I very rarely use instructions and I never look at videos (unless it’s a figure I’m not getting, just so I can see how it transforms). The puzzle is the best part of transformers (for me, in my opinion).

Springer was incredibly intuitive, for me. Everything had a spot to go and everything lined up exactly as it was supposed to, it just took a bit of time to sort out where and what. Now that I’ve figured him out, I can flip between modes quickly.

He’s definitely a favourite of mine.

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And I'm sure that most members would say the exact same thing when it comes to the transformation of most figures, it's nothing special...

For myself, I don't bother with the instructions because to me, they are impossible to read/view well in the bland back and grey monochrone print that they've been doing for the last few years... and with close to 99% of the figures I get, there is absolutely no issue in figuring it out, but I will watch reviews to see how others view the figures and in case I might have missed something as I don't assume that I can't miss something.. heck, with Siege Prime, I never noticed the folding section in the legs for the extra 5mm port that could be used for a trailer until much later simply because it's well hidden.


And again, some are challenging enough to require a viewing to see what we miss to get it done... nothing special there either.

It's good for you if you have one that you don't appear to have the same difficulties that many have had, as maybe your figure has looser pins and such or put together better at the manufacturing level than others may have been. I have a few multiple of some figures and I do have some that one of them is perfect, it snaps well and everything aligns, while another of the exact same figure refuses to snap correctly so some parts are misaligned. Considering that we are taking micrometers' worth of difference with a used mold or just a pin that went it just a tiny bit off (my 30G Sandstorm's arm has a pin that very crocked, and while it still transforms and moves correctly, it doesn't snap perfectly like the other arm). My Siege Ironhide refuses to close the back panels of the truck's back (the legs) simply of a tiny issue with the mold that I can't locate to try and correct by either cutting or grinding a part (which I already tried a few spots).

Same with Ultra Magnus, his shoulder sections, the grey piece will snap perfectly for some, mine didn't at all, I could NOT snap them locked so they'd fall off, so I very gently sanded the tabs until they finally did close and lock the parts in place (which makes a world of difference).

So again I'll repeat as you seem to have missed reading that part: the OP and many comments are NOT about how to transform it, but that it requires to be very specific about alignment of some part as otherwise it doesn't snap together properly. That is confirmed by several members including myself and I would not assume anything about their skills at transforming their figures as you did.

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Again, sorry if my post offended you. It was not the intent, but apparently my wording was taken in a way that could be deemed offensive.

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not here to stir the pot but I dont understand why anyone would feel the need to apologize for having a different opinion

no one insulted your transfomer skills and if you dont like the toy return it to the store imo

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I agree with this 100%. No need to apologize at all especially to someone who seems so fragile and goes on such a misconstrued diatribe for something as trivial as how to and how not to play with a toy.

If you're really that "insulted" because someone voiced their opinion and said that his experience transforming the toy was a lot more positive than yours then keep in mind that he could have equally turned your argument against you and busted your balls for having such a hard time.

With all of that said, let's all enjoy our hobby and not be such Snowflakes when someone disagrees your opinion. Otherwise, go back to the North Pole and cover yourself in bubble-wrap.

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It's nothing about being snowflakes or such, nor about opinion about the figure...

I just don't agree with the part " if you’re experienced with TFs,".

I find this insulting to the OP to everyone that finds that this figure requires to be perfectly aligned to snap properly together.

I refuse to assume that everyone that is stating that this particular figure is difficult doesn't have "experience".

Come on... that was absolutely no need for something that comes off like that... turning this in a contest of skills.... really?

A simple, "I have no trouble and enjoy the figure." would be more than enough, there was no need to go in that direction.

Thats it... this shouldn't have escalated beyond that.

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I have far less transformering ability than you and feel insulted by your need to be agreeable

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Y'all being babies.

Besides. Thrilling 30 Springer >>>>>>>>>than this poo box.

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Many of us are still waiting for the Toy Gods to deliver Siege Springer into the retail outlets so we may exchange our $40+tax and thus participate in this highly spirited debate.

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This I agree with. But the last thing I come to TF forums for is to participate in some online flamewar because someone disagrees with my opinion. Best to just post a sorry and move on.

Anyway, still think Siege Springer is a great figure and I think everyone should experience it in whatever way they deem suitable to their own interests. I have both the previous voyager version and the Siege one. I loved the look of the Siege one so much, I went against my usual rule of not doubling up on characters within the same “line” (it’s all Classic-verse to me, some others call it CHUG). But boy am I happy I did pick up this figure. It’s been extremely fun for me.

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Opened up my springer because of this thread and it’s a sick figure I really enjoy when everything has to line up just so because when it’s all pegged together it is very tight in all 3 modes stellar figure

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I've been praying every day :crying:

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I preordered early with amazon.com so I was able to get mine in early Aug. It was a little bit more than I’d pay locally but not much since I was able to have it delivered to my US box with free shipping. So even with exchange it was within a dollar or so of buying here and paying taxes. Local retail is so completely hit or miss here, I don’t bother taking the chance if it’s a figure I know I want.

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I'd do the same of I could. If I were have it delivered to my Canadian address, it rang up to $60 (definitely not worth it).

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Ya, it's a great figure but not worth paying that much for. I'm lucky that I live close enough to the border to be able to take advantage of free US shipping on some orders. It sucks that shipping is so expensive into and within Canada.

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Too true! ... Anything beyond wave 2 means it can be dicey as far as brick & mortar sightings. Here’s hoping the green bot makes a few more appearances for those of us still looking :)

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I also am on the fence about Springer. Is he good looking enough to replace Generations Springer or not, or do they both have a place.
I had a similar debate with the Titan's Return Blur and Kup replacing their generations versions. It's just a different look and aesthetic.
New Springer does look great, and hopefully I can get my hands on it.

As far as complexity of transformation, that's what I enjoy about these toys. I find myself going back and getting a hold of the ROTF toys exactly for their complexity, despite the Michael Bay movies they came from, some of that line are great, difficult toys. Also, Alternators are the greatest toyline, achieving both a realistic alt mode, and complex transformation, to make a great looking bot.
Generations Springer is a cool toy with a cool transformation. Is Siege version an improvement, I am unsure yet. Maybe they both have a place in my ever-expanding plastic crack addiction collection.

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I know, right?

I'm dying to see what all the hubbub is about.

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No more flame warsy stuff or I'm just going to lock the thread.

Play nice, or it get's locked up.

But in the spirit of conversation, I also don't really care for Siege Springer. I loved the look and the idea of getting it when it was announced but getting it in hand just wasn't fun. The tabs were far too tight and led to a less than enjoyable transformation. After a back and forth with the transformations, I set it up to display in robot mode... only to have the figure fall over under it's own weight. The ankles just can't support it. I used a little bit of FS on the pivots, and it helped, but not enough for me to say that this is a good figure.

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Just want to say I heard so many things about this Transformer THE GOOD, THE BAD AND THE UGLY that I really hope to find him and judge it myself. Has anyone found him in Ontario lately? I never found him in the wild yet. Hopefully I'll find him one day but until then Happy hunting everyone and Good Luck:)

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In sincerity:

Springer is one of my favorite characters in the tf franchise, full stop. His original g1 toy is not great but whatever, it was g1. We went basically three decades without getting a proper triple changer Springer toy. Thrilling 30 voyager is, simply, one of the best mainline toys in the entire chug line. The sandstorm retool tightens it up and improves it, but it doesn't have the charm or character that Springer does. He's a lean, poseable, svelte toy that honors the original design, takes cues from Nick Roche's utterly fantastic illustrations, and adapts it all into a wonderful update. It's a fun, big car mode and a solid chopper.

For my tastes one of the more uninspiring aspect of potp and now siege is the seeming emphasis on "g1, but with more articulation!" That isn't as interesting to me as creative updates of the characters. It's just rehashing.

I haven't handled siege Springer. I've seen him in hand. I'm disappointed in just how boxy he is. It's like an exaggeration of the original toys simplicity. But... That's also not necessarily g1 Springer. Tf:TM and s3 Springer isn't a chonking square of chunk. The deco is good, nice greens, good contrast...

Until they cover him in what to my eyes appears to be the biggest "battle damage" deco of the line. It's a line-wide choice that doesn't improve the look of any figure, imo. Maybe Soundwave has more, but it doesn't look so horrible. YMMV. For my money it ruins any appeal the toy might have. It looks like he has been sprayed by a sewage truck. It's not battle damage, it's poo spray. Fine. Mud spray if you must. It's ugly and unnecessary.

I can't speak to if he is or isn't fun to play with; I'm not going to buy like, my favorite character,because he looks like shit and I already have a fucking tremendous toy to represent him. Enjoy him if you do! Don't if you don't! For all my cheek, i do have reasons. :)

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Just took my first crack at transforming him and it wasn't easy nor fun. Will try again later but yes there's a lot of tabbing and parts swinging around. Obviously will get easier as it's done more often, but he'll probably stay in robot mode mostly which is a shame for a triple changer.

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Found mine last week at Barrie North Wal-Mart. Good luck!

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Found one here this week. I dig him. Haven't had any issues with the tabs or loose joints. He's pretty nice. I have the thrilling 30 one too. He's great too. I like both. Ah well, one is IDW the other is old school. All good.

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I think that's what I like between the two lines. They are different because they aren't aiming to be the same thing.

I just got mine Tuesday, haven't opened it yet, so I can't say I like him or not. But I like the look.

It'll be tough to beat the Thrilling 30 one though.

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As you write, it doesnt really matter if it beats it or not since it serves a different purpose. I did find the thrilling 30 one far too tall for my season 3 cast. This one will scale beautifully with the inner hot rod "rodimus" figure we got with last year's leader.

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He does look good with the others. Wish I had gotten legends Blurr.