Alternators Bumblebee

[Sonray]

Here is something im really proud of, Alt Bumblebee.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3008/2577850118_181c85cf04_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3004/2577850210_6159144570_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3100/2577017703_16164dee3b_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3173/2577850352_ced2202340_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3150/2577017815_52c26f802f_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3108/2577850536_d63eff7f69_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3045/2577017869_031936b9f0_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3188/2577850056_45e4295f99_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3056/2577017375_66860c1c1e_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3030/2577849890_352e9855d9_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3275/2577849824_296bc23f27_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3094/2577849764_0cbabb8f94_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3029/2577849702_92ea3eb825_o.jpg



Yes i know i know, basically everyone has made one so i tried to do something new and original just to make it stand out from the rest a bit.

So i heavily modified the front end to look less like a Subaru and thus making it look like a bit more than a straight repaint, added Lamboghini style doors (thanks to everyone at www.sector70.com ((especially Wheeljack)) for helping me figure out how to do this), as well as new rims and some extra details to the interior.

I gave him a kick ass Daytona yellow paint job with racing stripes as a tribute to movie BB, and then i painted the headlights black to make the front end look like the face of an actual bumble bee. (see if you can notice the "ghost insignias" inside the headlights). And the mean looking muscle-bound cartoon bumble bees on the sides are hand painted on with enamels and a VERY steady hand for an extra touch of coolness. All topped off with a cheeky smirk on the head mod that i made.

Overall im very pleased with this and he looks excellent next to my other alts.

[Optimus_Prime]

You chose a good mold to use! Looks great!

[brr-icy]

love it

[Nocturn]

That is something you should really be proud of. Actually changing the Alt Mode = Win.

[Ozrein]

Very nice. Really like the little changes and details.

[Tech Spec]

Those cartoon bees on the sides are awesome and love the rims on that bad boy too :D

[Nemesis Predaking]

The yellow looks good, However the paint on stripes & headlights look chunky & uneven.
The lack of details on Bot mode is also something that stand out to me.
I would have expected much more from you given your TFTM customs

[Sonray]

The yellow looks good, However the paint on stripes & headlights look chunky & uneven.
The lack of details on Bot mode is also something that stand out to me.
I would have expected much more from you given your TFTM customs

Its an alt, theres not much room for painted details, especially considering they are G1 based, how many alts have you seen with heaps of movie toy repaint-like detail? The lack of which is intentional on this.

I dont see how you think the paint on the stripes looks chunky cos its not, its as smooth as glass. The headlights though i agree with, but nothings perfect.

[Nemesis Predaking]

Its an alt, theres not much room for painted details, especially considering they are G1 based, how many alts have you seen with heaps of movie toy repaint-like detail? The lack of which is intentional on this.

I dont see how you think the paint on the stripes looks chunky cos its not, its as smooth as glass. The headlights though i agree with, but nothings perfect.

Yes your right there is not much room for details, but with what room you have you could have easily put some black on the lower arm & lower torso or even taken your white from the bee's wings & added some small details to the upper arms & upper legs. As far as your stripes they look chunky because of the fact that they are uneven. They are not uniform & seems to have small chunks missing along the edges. Whether or not you paint them by hand makes no difference.

As far as "how many alts have you seen with heaps of movie toy repaint-like detail?" I never said it should look like a TFTM repaint. I simply said with your previous custom's I would expected more out of you on this one.

I fail to understand how you can point out everyone else flaws with there own customs, but if somebody (like myself) says something even remotely negative about your work. You cannot view it as constructive criticism. You once said to me about my Classics Dirge custom.

Some areas look rough and splotchy, the paint isnt very well applied in those areas, but they are tiny areas so only anal detail-freaks like me will notice.

Well call me an anal detail-freak as well now too.
Take what people say as constructive criticism & not as a slam agaisnt you or your work. You may find that you won't be banned from site anymore.

[Sonray]

Yes your right there is not much room for details, but with what room you have you could have easily put some black on the lower arm & lower torso or even taken your white from the bee's wings & added some small details to the upper arms & upper legs. As far as your stripes they look chunky because of the fact that they are uneven. They are not uniform & seems to have small chunks missing along the edges. Whether or not you paint them by hand makes no difference.

As far as "how many alts have you seen with heaps of movie toy repaint-like detail?" I never said it should look like a TFTM repaint. I simply said with your previous custom's I would expected more out of you on this one.

I fail to understand how you can point out everyone else flaws with there own customs, but if somebody (like myself) says something even remotely negative about your work. You cannot view it as constructive criticism. You once said to me about my Classics Dirge custom.



Well call me an anal detail-freak as well now too.
Take what people say as constructive criticism & not as a slam agaisnt you or your work. You may find that you won't be banned from site anymore.


Listen buddy, i dont need "constructive criticism" when it sounds like someone nit-picking at tiny flaws.
I put a lot of work into this and i think its awesome and i love it, so im going to defend it.
I havnt seen anyone do racing stripes as well as i have before, certainly not you so if you can do better id like to see.
And the fact that they are hand painted DOES make a difference, because if you use a computer to make decals then obviously they will look perfect, but thats a lazy and lame way to do things and just makes your work look like soul-less mass-produced crap. (excluding small details like number plates and badges etc etc)
If a person can make stuff look awesome all by their self with their own skills and hands then that says a lot for their work and their abilities as an artist.

The stripes are fine all things considered, i too see a very tiny difference in the lines here and there as ive done racing stripes on a real cars before so i have an eye for this stuff and i KNOW they are a bit off, but i dont care. I could have fixed them but i was tired of working on the same project and i wanted to wrap it up. Besides small flaws is what doing things by hand is all about. EVERY custom has them.

You try and make racing stripes and see if you get them perfect the first time! Hell you wouldn't even had mentioned them if i hadn't of gone for the more complicated and stylish pin-striped look!

Just to clarify i didnt add more detail to the bot mode as i wanted to keep a G1 look like all alts are, so you need to keep things simple. Maybe you think it would look better with more details but i dont, but you dont need to basically say that its a poor custom job because of a personal distaste for my choice of paint apps.

Its an alt, not a movie toy, different molds call for different details to be highlighted and if i had put as much detail onto an alt as i do a movie toy this would have looked stupid, then you would have moaned...sorry, given "constructive critique" about that too i bet.

And dont even start the BS about being banned as you know nothing about the circumstances. But one fact i can share is it had nothing to do with disagreements with peoples "constructive critique".

The problem we have is the way you came across, you (and others) need to learn how to give constructive critique properly without just sounding like a condescending ass who's just nit picking peoples work apart.

I can take constructive critique and i even welcome it but not when its given out in a "oh this looks stupid you should have done this and those dont look right neither" kind of stuck up attitude.

[dak]

cool custom. I do agree tho about the chest feeling a little bare. I do get the idea that it's G1 inspired, and the layout is similar to the g1 style:http://home.comcast.net/~mathewignash/images/csbumblebee.jpg, but I feel there needs to be a bit of a separation in his stomach area.

I think the main thing that gives this "bare" impression is the full detail of the racing stripe found on the feet and the use of black and yellow paint apps, compared to the straight yellow of the chest and abs. If you are happy with the turnout then awesome. But, if you were to make some changes, I would suggest one or both of 2 things. Either bring the racing stripe on the hood a little further forward so it can be seen more, OR paint his Abs black, and his waist yellow, similar to this picture: http://www.starstore.com/acatalog/TF_Bumblebee-bust.jpg .

One thing I personally am not crazy about is the head. forehead is a little too big for me. It's pretty difficult sculpting heads eh? I know when I was working on my Nova Basic Mode head, it went through MANY versions cause I just couldn't get it right. Grrr, it was annoying.

[Sonray]

cool custom. I do agree tho about the chest feeling a little bare. I do get the idea that it's G1 inspired, and the layout is similar to the g1 style:http://home.comcast.net/~mathewignash/images/csbumblebee.jpg (http://home.comcast.net/%7Emathewignash/images/csbumblebee.jpg), but I feel there needs to be a bit of a separation in his stomach area.

I think the main thing that gives this "bare" impression is the full detail of the racing stripe found on the feet and the use of black and yellow paint apps, compared to the straight yellow of the chest and abs. If you are happy with the turnout then awesome. But, if you were to make some changes, I would suggest one or both of 2 things. Either bring the racing stripe on the hood a little further forward so it can be seen more, OR paint his Abs black, and his waist yellow, similar to this picture: http://www.starstore.com/acatalog/TF_Bumblebee-bust.jpg .

One thing I personally am not crazy about is the head. forehead is a little too big for me. It's pretty difficult sculpting heads eh? I know when I was working on my Nova Basic Mode head, it went through MANY versions cause I just couldn't get it right. Grrr, it was annoying.

Hell yeah i feel ya about the head thing. It took me ages to get it the way it was, i was pretty happy with the way it turned out though so i didnt bother changing it but i wish it could have been better too.

Im damned happy with how it looks overall though, but now you mention it and after seeing that bust too it would look so much better. I think i originally intended to do that but obviously i forgot.

I think i'll leave it though as if i changed it id have to do a whole new photo shoot as well and everything and i cant be bothered lol.

Thanks for the comments.

See Pred', THATS how you give constructive critique.

[knightrider2000]

Thats really cool

[frenzy_rumble]

funny. trouble seems to follow Sonray no matter what site he's on...until the mods ban him then it's happy skys again.

Sonray, if you're gonna try to brag about your customs, and not be able to cope with "nikpicking" (or as we call it constructive criticism) then don't bother posting your "customs" on public forums. It's that simple.

I made the same comment about the racing stripes, they are uneven and sloppy looking, it's the first and only thing I see when I look at those pics. If you don't want professional opinions, stay off professional sites.

It's easy to give a movie'esque feel to an alternator.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2165/2376556308_f2b7ca908f.jpg

[onecoin]

Nice Work. I don't do customs, but I do admit this does not compare as well to your other work, which are fantastic. I think that the idea of making it look simple and G1 like, makes the blemishes stand out more, than on pieces that are more intricate. Still, keep it up.

[Sonray]

funny. trouble seems to follow Sonray no matter what site he's on...until the mods ban him then it's happy skys again.

Sonray, if you're gonna try to brag about your customs, and not be able to cope with "nikpicking" (or as we call it constructive criticism) then don't bother posting your "customs" on public forums. It's that simple.

If you don't want professional opinions, stay off professional sites.


Funny how more trouble starts when you turn up and start with your flame bait BS like always. Then you manipulate the mods into thinking im some evil internet troll and get them to ban me. Simple fact: You leave me alone, no trouble. You start harrassing me, trouble starts. Go figure.

And your one to talk because as soon as somebody says anything even slightly negative about ANY of your work you go off on a hissy fit to them, so your no better either. Being professional? Dont make me laugh.

[frenzy_rumble]

i don't understand, i clearly see you lashing out on VP for pointing out criticism....

[Sonray]

VP? Who or what is that, your not even making sense now.

And theres a difference between constructive criticism, and just being a jerk and pointing out silly flaws. When the latter happens i tend to get a bit annoyed, like a normal person.

Anyway i dont wish to continue any form of contact with you as you will only cause more trouble and stress me out so say whatever you wish in response/retaliation cos im done with you...again. (6th site in a row ive had to ignore this person on, i need a restraining order)

[frenzy_rumble]

sorry, I ment NP. either way, members here will quickly notice everything you have to say has some sort of negative undertone, and you are not able to get along with anyone.

It's not my discovery, it's clear mods from the (what is it 5 bans now) other custom boards can see you don't belong posting in public.

[Sonray]

Nice Work. I don't do customs, but I do admit this does not compare as well to your other work, which are fantastic. I think that the idea of making it look simple and G1 like, makes the blemishes stand out more, than on pieces that are more intricate. Still, keep it up.

It seems about 1 out of every 8 person who sees this custom feels this way (not including the obvious people who will rip it apart just to be malicious). I didnt know i had raised my own personal bar so high with my other customs for people to feel this way. Im kinda humbled that people loved my other work so much that they think this is a let down in comparison. I should feel good about that i guess. :P

I suppose it is missing a few things i guess, like Dak said i should have added some yellow to the waist area like the bust he showed me, a few little paint apps on the chest wouldn't have done any harm either i suppose, but alas i was really pleased with it so i didnt feel like it needed any more.

The most important thing is that if the artist is happy with their work then thats all that matters. To me its not about making other people happy, or getting some high profile reputation which then gives me the ability to swiz people out of thousands of bucks for just painting their toys ya know? (and no FR thats not a dig at you before you start whining)For someone like me who is never satisfied it made a nice change to finally be fully happy with something i had created.

I was just happy with the doors, and the paint. I was so chuffed with the door mod and the bee's on the sides.

[frenzy_rumble]

or he could mean you're slacking off, or you only have good turnouts with TFTM styles customs.

again, no one is nit-picking, you post on a public forum, expect to get public response.

and ps, you're usually overly satisfied with every custom you post, which is the main reason I discredit your customs.

[Sonray]

or he could mean you're slacking off, or you only have good turnouts with TFTM styles customs.

again, no one is nit-picking, you post on a public forum, expect to get public response.

and ps, you're usually overly satisfied with every custom you post, which is the main reason I discredit your customs.

Reported.

[Pascal]

Ah c'mon guys, it's cybertron.ca here, the only war-free TF website in the world, it needs to stay that way. :)

It's a cool concept, I like the mods, but the licence plate needs to go imo and I'm not super stoked on the Bad Bee drawing (the drawing itself looks good, but I don't like it on the car). But it's just me, I usually like my cars to be clean with no markings or stripes.

[Nocturn]

Reported.

Why? He's entitled to his own opinion.

BTW, why are you a member here anyway? Imean, you're from the UK, and this is a relatively small Canadian board, as indicated by the males leafs in the header on each page and the fact you see the words "Canada" and "Canadian" littered around everywhere.

[Sonray]

edit, see below

[Sonray]

Why? He's entitled to his own opinion.

BTW, why are you a member here anyway? Imean, you're from the UK, and this is a relatively small Canadian board, as indicated by the males leafs in the header on each page and the fact you see the words "Canada" and "Canadian" littered around everywhere.

Originally Posted by frenzy_rumble http://www.cybertron.ca/boards/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.cybertron.ca/boards/showthread.php?p=60583#post60583)
or he could mean you're slacking off, or you only have good turnouts with TFTM styles customs.

again, no one is nit-picking, you post on a public forum, expect to get public response.

and ps, you're usually overly satisfied with every custom you post, which is the main reason I discredit your customs.


Stating an opinion? Calling me a slacker and saying im a crappy painter and outright admitting he goes out of his way to discredit my work is an opinion? He was flaming me and insulting my work! He isnt entitled to do that.

Also, i find your question about why im even here rather strange since im not the only one on this site who isnt from canada incase you havnt noticed (case in point the person in question right now is from san diago, and i know of many others who are also from the US), i do beleive its a part of the world wide web isnt it? Hence anybody can join here, no?

[Nocturn]

Originally Posted by frenzy_rumble http://www.cybertron.ca/boards/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.cybertron.ca/boards/showthread.php?p=60583#post60583)
or he could mean you're slacking off, or you only have good turnouts with TFTM styles customs.

again, no one is nit-picking, you post on a public forum, expect to get public response.

and ps, you're usually overly satisfied with every custom you post, which is the main reason I discredit your customs.


Stating an opinion? Calling me a slacker and saying im a crappy painter and outright admitting he goes out of his way to discredit my work is an opinion? He was flaming me and insulting my work! He isnt entitled to do that.

Also, i find your question about why im even here rather strange since im not the only one on this site who isnt from canada incase you havnt noticed (case in point the person in question right now is from san diago, and i know of many others who are also from the US), i do beleive its a part of the world wide web isnt it? Hence anybody can join here, no?

Truly, he didn't state anything other than his inferneces on someone else's post. Again, his discrediting is his personal opinions, as highlighted by the word I in his post.


While that may be true, that there are others, they usually go through with peaceful conduct, unlike what is happening here, which is why I singled you out.

[Nemesis Predaking]

Apparently you all missed this.....

Both of you, Don't even think about starting anything. I know both of your history, and I'm not going to let it happen on my boards.

[Nocturn]

Apparently you all missed this.....

oops...

[onecoin]

I'm sure this can only make each of thier customs better. Whoever is in this arguement. Still, I admit it is rather entertaining. I usually skim through "long" posts. But this is rather juicy. Bring on the the Canadian Peace Keepers. I wonder if we need to bring in the UN. I haven't see anything this bad since the owner of Eliminator RC went at it with an unsatisfied customer. Still, its not about who's work is better, its about getting better. Can't we all just get along?

[plowking]

Thanks for using my door mod Sonray, and not giving props......this is why I don't like to share ideas. People use them, and don't care enough to give credit where credit is due. I hate when people do that. It makes Bashers want to stop sharing...people like you that do stuff like this ruin it for a lot of other people.
Too bad you had to glue the wheels on.... I figured the "pin the wheels from the rear" was pretty self explanatory....I guess not.

And just so people dont think I am some angry person with no validity to his statement, let me show you Sonrays inspiration for the door mod:

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b7/mrplowking/Cell%20phones%20for%20sale/B1.jpg

This is Alternators Bludgeon, all mods were done by me (including the light up underglow/lightswords), and the paintwork was done by REDLINE.

[Sonray]

Thanks for using my door mod Sonray, and not giving props......this is why I don't like to share ideas. People use them, and don't care enough to give credit where credit is due. I hate when people do that. It makes Bashers want to stop sharing...people like you that do stuff like this ruin it for a lot of other people.
Too bad you had to glue the wheels on.... I figured the "pin the wheels from the rear" was pretty self explanatory....I guess not.

And just so people dont think I am some angry person with no validity to his statement, let me show you Sonrays inspiration for the door mod:

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b7/mrplowking/Cell%20phones%20for%20sale/B1.jpg

This is Alternators Bludgeon, all mods were done by me (including the light up underglow/lightswords), and the paintwork was done by REDLINE.

Hey man dont give me that crap! I asked you millions of times about the door mod and you never got back to me on it!! Someone else actually helped me with it, so if any props should be given its to Wheeljack for his idea, not you!
You didnt help with anything on this so dont come up in here with that crap about "people like me" ruining it for other bashers, as i help tons of people out and i actually respond to emails and pm's they send me asking for help, unlike some!

The door mods on this project are thanks to Wheeljack for his input and idea. The idea for lambo style doors on cars belongs to Lamborghini, not Plowking. Good enough props for ya now?

*sigh* Some people..

[plowking]

Here is the conversation as it went down between you and I on Sector70:

Sonray: Posted - 06/02/2008 : 15:14:39

Those are the wheels i plan on using but im still not sure how to attach them as they wont fit on the metal pins unless i drill a hole through the center of them and that will ruin the style and detail of the wheels i think.


Plowking: Posted - 06/04/2008 : 18:07:53

As far as the wheels, you could always pin them in from the back.....thats how I did them on Alt Bludgeon....that way you dont ruin the look on the front of the wheels.

Sonray: Posted - 06/05/2008 : 05:04:44

Pin them in from the back? huh?

Could you explain a little better please?

Plowking: Posted - 06/05/2008 : 13:41:00

You want them to look like this right?

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b7/mrplowking/Cell%20phones%20for%20sale/B1.jpg



I pinned these wheels in from the back, using the same wheels pins that came from the car.....when you remove the pins from the front, just reinstall them from the back side of where the pin goes. It may take a little modding, but its nothing hard to do...it took me like, a few seconds to do all four of them.

Sonray: 06/05/2008 : 14:33:38

So what your saying is take off the metal pins, and glue them back onto the toy and slide the wheels over the bit that used to be attached to the toy, right?

And OMG dude you gotta tell me how you did those doors!!!!! Those are amazing! I want to do something like that to BB to make it look like he has "wings" when in bot mode but i havnt got any idea how to do something like that.

Also great work on the bodykit mods and the spoiler! The paints awesome too! Anymore pics?

*End Conversation*

I bolded your statement word for word from where you said you wanted to copy my door mod.

Now go ahead, and run to Sector 70, and edit your post, so that way you can call me a liar, and make yourself feel that much better.

[dak]

heh, we're not using these boards as a battle ground. continue in PM's or off this site.